Scott Vogel (Terror) interviewBy Drew Ailes
Out of place? Absolutely. Well, when you're in a room full of eighteen year olds that are acting like eighteen year olds, and you're almost twice their age or closer to their parents age....you know? A lot of the things I did when I was eighteen such as think that it's cool to puke on my own shoes or be really loud, or just a lot of things like that - I would much rather be calm and quiet. As far as confused? I'm not confused. I know if I didn't still want to be involved, I wouldn't be, and if I was confused, I would figure out an answer. I still love touring, playing, writing music, going to shows, exploring the world, making new friends, and I made a conscious choice to start a new band when I was twenty-nine, so I knew what I was getting myself into. I think I'm at a point in my life where I'm pretty happy. I don't have too many problems and I'm not too concerned with this or that, I'm just in a good place.
I was born in Buffalo and lived there for a long time. The biggest reason is that when you get a chance to leave Buffalo and go to different cities and see different environments, coming back to Buffalo was kind of depressing. If you spend a week in Buffalo and you spend a week in Los Angeles, I bet if someone asked you which one you'd rather live in, you'd pick Los Angeles. There are some things I miss about Buffalo but I don't regret moving.
When I first moved, I couldn't believe the traffic. It was just stupid. At that time, I just didn't know that if you were going to go somewhere, you either leave before three o'clock or you wait until seven thirty and you just don't go in the middle unless you absolutely have to. Just like anything, you just have to get used to it. The cost of living is a lot more expensive and certain areas you go into you can tell people are a little more well off and it's affected their attitudes towards others. Another problem is that I've lived in Los Angeles for five years but I've probably only been there for a total of less than a year because I'm always gone. I still don't know it that well, but from what I do know, I love it for the most part.
No, not at all. I mean, we started off like any band I've ever been in. Some people that were mentally on the same page about music and the music scene, and life in general. We wrote a couple of songs, put out a demo, and our first show was for maybe seventy kids in a little warehouse with no stage. All the bands I've been in...well, one thing that's a little different is that the bands I was in when I was still in high school couldn't tour right away, but we had the same mindset of going out to play anywhere, anytime, and not worrying about money, what we're getting paid, what type of crowd we're playing to, or anything like that. So it was definitely the same. I can only speak for the bands that I've ever been in, but there's definitely no contrived plan. We have no look and our style is traditional hardcore, which if you're trying to get big with, you've picked the wrong style. Bands like Sick of it All, who should be the biggest band in the United States...
Yeah. And we're not playing the music that sells, we're playing the music we like. I think we've just worked hard and I don't know, maybe a little bit of luck.
This record has been out for less than six months, so we're still going to tour on it for a while. I mean, we definitely have a lot of new stuff already written. I love our new record. Anyone who knows me will agree that I'm not the type of person who goes around talking about how good Terror is or boasts or brags about my band or anything, but the new record I actually really like. From the layout, to the lyrics, to the music, to the recording - everything about it. So I want to push it because I think we did it right and I want people to hear it and read the lyrics. But, we've got new stuff, so when the time is right...it's not gonna be too long.
This is definitely a question I hate but I love to address it.
First of all, half those things that are written I've never said. There are things that...I know myself and there are certain words that would never come out of my mouth. Certain phrases that I would never put together. I mean...I guess if people have fun with that and think it's cool...I mean, there's some of them that are serious and some of them are stupid. But whatever. It's just to me, I'm just a dumb kid and I don't know. The whole name of the whole thing. I don't know. I guess it's amusing, it's dumb, it's somewhat flattering, I don't know. It's everything.
Yeah. You know, if it was all things that I've said, then I would have a different opinion of it. But I know half of it is things I've never said, so I don't know how to analyze that.
It's definitely odd when you show up at the airport to go overseas and you have five-hundred Terror shirts, CDs, pins, stickers, and you have these big cases and they start to think, "whats in these cases?" Or when you get pulled over by the police when you're driving and they say, "what's the name of your band," "Terror," and I've heard other stories of people wearing shirts and people saying stuff to them. I don't usually wear Terror shirts so I don't usually have that problem. The thing with the name is, Terror and Terrorism aren't the same thing. We needed a name and we didn't have a name, and I looked at a Sheer Terror videotape I had, and we wanted a short name. A lot of bands have these really long and absurd names, or abstract maybe is the better word. But we wanted a name kind of like our music - just something that hits you. You look at the word "terror" and you at least get kind of a feel of what you're getting into. And it kind of matches our music, we hope. So we went with it. I guess a little bit of controversy or a little bit of shock value doesn't hurt.
Absolutely. I mean, there's a time and place when violence has to occur, and I don't think the right time is over some moshing beef, or a hardcore kid fighting another hardcore kid, or a wonderfully open-minded metalhead comes to a Terror show and they just don't fit in, so they've gotta get beaten up. That stuff is absolutely disgusting to me. You know, there were times where we had an incident where we had an incident at The Whiskey, and we're banned from a lot of clubs in that area in Los Angeles because the bouncers were being really out of line with the kids and when you keep pushing and keep pushing, something is going to happen. And it did. And we happened to be playing, so we got blamed for it. Stuff like that. Although I don't think violence or ruining clubs or anything is cool, that's not really what I'm about, but that's kind of empowering to see kids kind of hold their scene down. Now, on the flip-side of that, with the question you're asking me, I've definitely been playing and just seen things that just made me wonder why I'm doing this. People just getting hurt for no reason. People getting beaten for no reason to the point where we stop playing. I think maybe two or three years ago, we were at the point where if you came to a Terror show, there was a good chance there was going to be a fight and you might be in it. We did everything we could and we talked to whoever we could to end that, and I think for the most part, it has. I think we'll always have a little bit of a reputation following us, but we're doing our best to let that die real quick. That's something we don't want at all. I think anyone that knows us knows how much of a positive band we are.
I don't understand it either. We definitely do play a heavier type of music and all that aggression and stuff sometimes boils to a head, but I just would hope people....if you come to a show looking for a problem, there's going to be a problem. I really hope that doesn't happen too often.
Yeah, if you go to a bar, or you go to a party. Whether we're playing a metal show or a hardcore show, there's always idiots there. There's always really cool people there and really amazing people there, and there's always going to be some idiots there.
We're actually, something we just found out, we're going to Europe in April and the first show we're playing in London is with Necro and ill-Bill. We've talked about trying to do a tour, but those two worlds colliding, I don't know what would happen. It would either be something that would be amazing or bad. I mean, we've done metal tours. A metal guy, in this age, kind of knows what a hardcore kid is. Maybe Hatebreed has really bridged that gap. But when you throw a hip-hop kid and a hardcore kid together and a band starts playing and people start getting their heads jumped on, it might turn ugly. Or they might love it. You don't know. We actually did a song with Jedi Mind Tricks. It's a remix of one of their songs that's on their new record. That was really cool for us. I don't think you're ever going to see me rapping. I don't think that's something I'm ready to do, or really interested in doing. Working together or touring would be cool. I mean, for us to work with Jedi Mind Tricks was awesome. For us to have Murs and Mr. Dibbs on our record, it was unbelievable. But I'm content just being a fan and listening to it. I don't think I need to get my emcee career going.
I see so much similarity in ethics, style of dressing, just the whole meaning. Just the whole underground culture. Finding music and using it as a way to get away from this ugly world and finding a beautiful escape. I know more now than ever, hardcore kids are listening to hip-hop. I've been listening to hip-hop for as long as I can remember, and there was a time, ten years ago, where most hardcore kids would frown upon hip-hop.
I don't know. I don't even remember. I used to listen to Whodini and Run DMC, and UTFO, and really old stuff, so I can't remember what got me into. But I was listening to hip-hop before I was listening to hardcore.
[laughing] That's my drummer, Nick's project. And it's just about having fun.
Um, we go there a couple times a week. We were all there last night. I ghostwrote some of the songs.
Well, we go and I like to drink, and we have fun, and there's wings everywhere, and there's sports on TV, and there's a lot of beer.
At this point, Nick also sings in a band called Piece By Piece. Martin, our new guitarist, is in Donnybrook and he's also in a band called Lion Crew. I don't have time for anything else. When I'm not doing Terror, I want to be on my couch, watching TV.
One thing I think is important is bands like Murphy's Law and Agnostic front, the bands that taught me hardcore, are still doing it. They don't really get the credit and the respect that they deserve in the United States, which is sad. So, first I would encourage people to go back and look at that. You know, it's kind of crazy because this is the first time we've toured with Stick To Your Guns, and I've been hanging out with them a lot. I rode in their van yesterday and I was playing the Bad Brains, and they didn't know them. That's just crazy to me. Hardcore kids that don't know the Bad Brains. It just goes to show that the hardcore scene is very diverse and there are younger kids who probably got into hardcore, this is just a guess, but through Throwdown or Unbroken, which to me are bands that haven't been around for long.
I definitely think, too, I don't want to be one of those guys who just talks about the past. There are a lot of great bands out right now. Blacklisted, Death Before Dishonor....Texas has Will To Live, Bitter End, Iron Age, three really good bands. Internal Affairs, Donnybrook, Down To Nothing from Virginia is really good. Also, another thing that's really cool is that we've been fortunate enough to go to all these other countries. Japan, Europe, Australia, South America...there's bands everywhere. I see today a little more that these bands are getting to come to the United States, which makes me really happy. I encourage people to branch out a little bit and look across the sea for some good stuff. There's some really good stuff out there.
Let's do it. What is it, like, some psychotherapy shit, right?
What do I see? It looks like a globe. Like, countries on a globe. What is it? What does that mean? I'm crazy?
Do you see what I saw at all?
The abominable snowman with a huge penis?
[laughing] Now, your answers, that's just what you saw?
[laughing] It doesn't look like anything.
[laughing] Okay. I don't think if you had given me a hundred guesses I wouldn't have guessed that.
I can see the rug. It could be like, a crucified Jesus, too.
I got that one already. That's what you see a couple days after Halloween when you throw a pumpkin against the wall. When it explodes.
[laughing] Where's the horse?
Do you see mine?
Two people back to back, or something.
You're acting weird. No, I don't see that one. Where did you get these from?
I saw them in a barn, once.
I saw them play in a barn and they charged a keg of beer to play.
I see it, yeah, yeah.
A teddybear raising the roof?
Wow...a good ass band. Buddha from Blood For Blood.
That one doesn't quite look like the other ones.
Ugh...I hate him. Did you know that from interviews that I hate him?
Ugh. Him and Sandra Bullock. I hate them. Speed...
Fuck that. Dennis Hopper definitely is cool, but...
Yeah, that's sick.
I saw that yesterday. I don't understand. I guess that's like, somewhat flattering...
Who the fuck has enough time to do that?!
It's just like...I...another thing, I get these people that come up to me and are like, so excited and think I'm this really righteous guy. And I'm like, man, if you fucking just hang out with me for one night you'll just see what an idiot or boring person I am. I guess you know, like, I always want to write lyrics that inspire people, so that's cool, but who has time to do this?
They should fucking make us merch designs and send them to me instead of wasting their time on this stuff. Something we could use.
Uh...I'm not going to lie, I've never posted anything on a website in my life. I look at Lambgoat all the time. Not the fucking dumb messageboard, but I think it's a great idea. I can look at it and see what's going on in hardcore, that's great. I got one other thing to say. To counter things such as Lambgoat and messageboards, I have a new fanzine that I made.
It's very small, and it's issue two. I did issue one maybe two years ago. But throughout my life, I've made several fanzines and I think there's something to be said about print zines and flyering shows. Stuff like that. I encourage everybody to maybe step away from their computer for a minute and make an actual print-zine and when there are shows, there are other things other than dumb fucking Myspace...
The first part of this is bad enough. I have a laptop now. That's bad enough. I tried to set it up so no one can go to Myspace on it. Now, there's probably a way, but I'm not smart enough to know, but my band tells me they can, so if they have to use my laptop they can go to it.
You know, Terror has a Myspace and I'm probably one of the last people in the world that doesn't have a personal Myspace. Although there has been several made where I have to write to the person and tell them to take it down.
I've had people, like, come up to me and say, "you're on Myspace," and I'm like, "no?" and they go, "yes, you are." And they send me the link and it's me. It's got mostly accurate information and a picture, and I write...well, I don't know how to, but I have someone write them and they're like, "oh, we just made it because we really like your band and it's just cool," and it has comments to me, and they're answering these people back like they're me! Which is just insane. So I write the person and they're like, "I don't want to take it down," and it's like, take it down. There's a reason I don't have one. I don't know. I guess maybe if I was a single, eighteen year old man, Myspace would be my best friend...but I'm kind of at the point where if I want to talk to somebody, they have my phone number. I don't know. I'm just not into the whole thing. I see a lot of people doing a lot of dirty things on there. So, I don't know. Whatever. If it's for you, cool. I remember the minute I started hating Myspace.
I was outside and I was in L.A. with our drummer, Nick. I was just starting to learn what Myspace is about. I'm a little late, I'm sure it had been booming. I know there was Friendster first and all this stuff that I don't know about. But I was standing outside of a Gang Starr show, and these three thirty-year old, maybe forty-year old men in suits and ties walk by us, saying, "oh yeah, I'm on Myspace and I'm talking to this person," and I was like, "what the fuck is going on?" But I'll tell you this, I do love Youtube. That's amazing. There are nights where there's nothing good on TV and I'll just search tons of hip-hop videos, and hardcore videos, and metal videos on Youtube. I think that's great.
Uh...I never heard that.
I'm trying to think. So what he's saying is that the Internet and television would be as one?
It's a good Warzone song. [laughing]
He's probably right. On Demand is great, too, when it's free. There's some good movies on there, too. I think different carriers probably have different movies.
We got the best shit out in L.A....no, I'm just kidding. Sometimes I wish I was there, you know? Other things you want my last comments? I think it's amazing how amazing the Buffalo Sabres are doing this year. I'm very pro-Airborne. That stuff so you don't get sick.
No, no. I'm just getting over something though. I think it's impossible to be on tour in the winter and not get sick.
Yeah, there's just coughing and sneezing.
Ughh, what is scabies? Like, your skin gets crusty?
Ohhh. I really knew, I was just playing it up. I can tell you a funny story. Someone, not in Terror, that's a close personal friend of ours and helps us out a lot received oral sex outside of a show in the winter in a city that is freezing cold. This is going into the scabies thing. Someone in the band, and he's not...I don't want to say that he's not the brightest person...but he's not the most brightest person. He's young. Someone in the band decided to make up the story that if you receive oral sex in the very cold weather, somehow you can contract this disease that I believe he called rheumatosis, or something that sounded pretty good. It just came off the tongue and it was good. We all joined in and kind of told him and he got a little nervous. Next thing you know, he was calling his friends having it Google searched [laughing] and then he was like, "you guys are all assholes". I wish I could remember the name he used. I think it was repetosis, cuz then it came down to you got really dry and scaly skin, kind of like a reptile. I don't know. [laughing]
Thank you and goodbye.
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there should be a picture of keanu reeves after buddha from bloodforblood. sorry for th confusion.
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Ha, that rat tail comment went over like a lead balloon.
"If you see someone fall down, help em' back up...NOW LET'S STOMP SOME f*ckING HEADS!"-Scott Vogel
i was just about to post the vogelism.com thing.. this interview made me laugh. STYG sucks, and how can you be into hardcore and not know about the past? Bad Brains, come on now....
That's perhaps one of the most entertaining interviews I've read on lambgoat.
.. wow, alot of stuff goes over his head... or he just doesnt really have a sense of humor.
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as an aside, scabies definitely isn't pubic lice. that said, this is literally the best interview i've ever read on lambgoat.
goddamn, is everyone in hardcore this f*cking stupid?
Im pretty sure hes just your average mongloid hardcore dude
scott vogel is a really good and genuine dude. i really enjoyed doing this interview. as far as him "not getting shit", that wasn't really the case - you cant translate mannerisms and facial expressions into a text medium. good guy.
oh no, it translates just fine to text, he has no idea what an ink blot test is
umm...unbroken were around a long time ago...like the early 90s. people should never put them and throwdown in the same category...
i remember when vogal would put songs out to the buffalo sabres and everyone would lose their minds in buffalo
wait wait wait... isn't terror a straight edge band?
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Scabies isn't pubic lice, retard. It's skin lice.
Holy f*cking shit, this guy is retarded. Two choice quotes: "But I know half of it is things I've never said, so I don't know how to rearyze that", and "The thing with the name is, Terror and Terrorism aren't the same thing. We needed a name and we didn't have a name".
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This review really shed some insight on the personality of this band that I would have never even thought to be there. This was a great review and a good read, Drew. Good work.
I remember getting a little sick at a crazy party at Buried Alive's house (which was packed FULL of a bad mix of people) in Buffalo, on New Years a couple years back and someone was helping me to the bathroom cause i didn't want to spew somewhere and wreck their house. Right before i get to the restroom, Scott jumps in front of us and starts screaming & swearing in our faces and pushing us down the hallway. I couldn't hold it any longer and i think i threw up before we were shoved outside. Next
I am someone who knows this guy on a personal level... He is awesome, doesn't need a f*cking personality... The bottom line is that he is a genius. He also has a big heart. So anyone who talks shit on these little message boards, comment sections, etc. obviously has no clue. They do however, have an interest, or they wouldn't be here. So f*ck off. Scott owns.
great interview I wanna see 100 stagedives per song.
probably one of the better interviews i've ever read on this site. and some of you people need to lay off the hate, we're obviously not all as perfect as you are. geez.