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Too Pure To Die Confidence and Consequence

01. Confidence and Consequence 02. Bad Luck 03. Blame No One 04. It Won't Hurt 05. Dead To Me 06. All In A Day 07. 99 08. Reflections 09. The Best Coincidence 10. What's Left
2007 Trustkill Records
Our score 2


On Confidence and Consequence, Iowa moshcore quintet Too Pure To Die accomplish a rather impressive feat, creating a hardcore record that sounds completely devoid of passion. From the opening title track to the not-so-grand finale of "What's Left," the album captures the sound of a band phoning it in on all fronts and why Trustkill would deem this thing worthy of a re-release is honestly anyone's guess. Too Pure To Die's problems begin early on Confidence and Consequence with the re-recorded vocals of new frontman Paul Zurlo. It's hard to imagine the rest of the band actually thought it would be a good idea to hand this guy a microphone, as he sounds alternately like Mudvayne's Chad Gray pretending to be a hardcore singer and the last place contestant in a Phil Anselmo impersonator contest. In fact, the whole album reeks of embarrassing nu metal-isms mixed with subpar Pantera worship, tired breakdowns and a guitar tone that sounds like it was lifted wholesale from Slipknot's first album. Not even budding uber-producer Andreas Magnusson (The Black Dahlia Murder, Oh Sleeper, Becoming the Archetype), who re-mixed and re-mastered the disc, could breath any life into Confidence and Consequence and it's pretty easy to see why. The hardcore-by-numbers playing and song composition are at best rudimentary and the whole album lacks impact of any kind. The short songs whiz by without leaving any sort of impression and one gets the feeling that the members of Too Pure To Die aren't really too concerned whether or not anyone is actually listening. From the nonexistent songwriting to the flat production and equally flat performances, it's almost as if the band are either out to sabotage themselves or somehow managed to get signed long before they were anywhere near ready to perform at the level they've attained. Bottom Line: There are many major problems with Confidence and Consquence but the most glaring flaw here is that the band sounds completely and utterly bored with what they're doing. If the band doesn't care about its own material, why should anyone else Unless you have some strange urge to hear what an untalented version of Pantera sounds like when crossbred with an equally untalented version of Hatebreed while playing through demo-era Slipknot's guitar rigs, avoid this sonic abortion at all costs.


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I_AM_FUCK_ 11/21/2007 11:46:44 AM


Dave_ 11/21/2007 11:53:08 AM

Did anyone expect this to be good? I am straightedge and even I think Too Pure To Die it utter shit

anonymous 11/21/2007 11:54:10 AM

I'm sorry, but I love mosh. I always have, and from the looks of things, I always will; the desensitization that has happened for so many does not appear to be happening to me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loath this current nu-mosh craze, with bands like Beneath the Sky exploiting and essentially raping the triplet so as to get kids “f*cking moving,” but nothing beats an exceptionally-crafted junjun part. The kind that lets you relax for a moment, soothing the brain and the discontented, Ha

agent_friday_ 11/21/2007 12:23:18 PM

hahahah, f*ck this band. solid score.

DARTHDEATHSTAR_ 11/21/2007 12:26:09 PM

lol @ 'sonic abortion'

lolz_ 11/21/2007 12:29:50 PM

i hate this band, and every single gay who enjoys them

anonymous 11/21/2007 12:40:36 PM


ofgo_ 11/21/2007 12:58:11 PM

Jesus Christ.. trustkill must end

anonymous 11/21/2007 1:03:30 PM

this is a pretty harsh review, i heard the original recording of this and it didnt seem horrible, generic yes but doesnt sound like it lacks passion. It's not ground breaking but its just fun sing along mosh hardcore just like any hatebreed/throwdown style band, you cant expect much more. the reviewer is also from the same town as them and hasnt done a review yet so obviously he has to have some sort of animosity towards them. i agree not the best album but id have to say it's at least a 5/10

jerseyislame_ 11/21/2007 1:14:28 PM

uber-producer? please try to keep words like this out of your next review

xhotxcarlx_ 11/21/2007 1:24:08 PM

Most suspicious review on lambgoat EVER!

fueledbyfailure_ 11/21/2007 1:25:48 PM

PWNED! yuk yuk yuk yuk

anonymous 11/21/2007 1:27:31 PM

is it just me or does this band sounds exactly like Throwdown (excluding their new album)

anonymous 11/21/2007 1:32:51 PM

This band f*cking sucks.

Josh H._ 11/21/2007 2:21:54 PM

Sorry folks, nothing suspicious here, nor do i have anything against this band in spite of them being from DM. In fact, my only prior exposure to them was when a friend from Illinois played me their "We are a Weapon" disc a while. Back. I could care less where they're from, a bad album is a bad album.

anonymous 11/21/2007 2:32:36 PM

the whole album reeks of embarrassing nu metal-isms lulz

Devin_ 11/21/2007 2:36:55 PM


toopuretodie_ 11/21/2007 2:44:08 PM

wow! thanks for the review. didnt think we'd get a feature review. and a better score than we thought we were gonna get even.

xxxDudexxx_ 11/21/2007 2:59:32 PM

You homos won't be laughing when we kill all you f*cking drug dealers! Hate edge is back ragrahahahrg

J. Grabelle_ 11/21/2007 3:32:03 PM

Oh look, the message board crybabies of LambGoat hate our newest signing. What else is new in the world? I started this movement before any of you fatties were even a thought. Eat me.

deathcoresucks_ 11/21/2007 4:13:33 PM

roflcopters and lollerskates!!!!!

anonymous 11/21/2007 4:22:59 PM

LOL@the professionalism exhibited in calling people "Fatties" in the comments section of a Lambgoat review

chadster_ 11/21/2007 4:29:00 PM

This band was listenable once upon a "We Are A Weapon," but of course Trustkill proves once again that its where less-than-mediocre moshcore bands go to die.

arty_mcfarty_ 11/21/2007 5:00:52 PM

l0l at "sonic abortion"

fryin_cojax_ 11/21/2007 6:40:25 PM

2/10, eh? that's being pretty generous. shit album. shit band.

carlthetruth_ 11/21/2007 7:00:25 PM

why would you bury any non commercial band? don't even do the review if its that bad. why bother write anything? just dismiss it and go to the next one. pretty sure tptd will not go gold someday anyway. more sales for hatebreed?

J. Grabelle_ 11/21/2007 8:40:23 PM

I find it mildly amusing that the gays from this message board bash this record and my favorite band. Hardcore is more than just about f*cking chicks, cave in, taking big shits and driving 600 miles to see Kittie play. Hardcore is a movement. Hardcore is passion. We'll be here long after you move on to the next cool phase in your life.

T. Brummell_ 11/21/2007 8:41:54 PM

That pssy above me speaks the truth.

_atab_joey_bishop__ 11/21/2007 8:48:15 PM

could breath any life into

ugly old guy_ 11/21/2007 8:49:52 PM

if thats the real josh trustkill then you should know that you don't even release any f*cking hardcore cds anymore. i hope your gay label goes bankrupt and you burn to death in front of your children

S. Vogel_ 11/21/2007 9:55:02 PM

What the f*ck do you guys know about hardcore? Stop sitting behind your computers and make a difference. Get out there, start a band and move that shit. You gays probably don't even listen to Ice T.

XBloodXRagX_ 11/22/2007 12:03:19 AM

^^ told ^^ Ice T indeed

rocksteady_ 11/22/2007 12:07:20 AM

10/10 review. gimmick posters? dont go to lambgoat if you dont like lambgoat.

xdivisivex_ 11/22/2007 12:11:53 AM

pure utter shit. 'weapon' was the only good album released by them ever and thats when they went by xtpdx

J. Grabelle_ 11/22/2007 1:29:26 AM

Truth be told, I signed TPTD because I think the new singer is f*cking cute. I have a thing for beefcakes. Did I mention we have a 1992 Chippendales calendar on the Trustkill office wall? Yup. Now go buy the record, you indoor gays.

Eddie_Dennis_ 11/22/2007 9:08:06 AM

Big words from a man that knows nothing about the real hardcore movement.

I. Mackaye_ 11/22/2007 9:20:37 AM

You're all gays. You weren't even in Fugazi.

anonymous 11/22/2007 1:14:27 PM

lol @ executive Hxc CEOs and VIPs comment war

baobab_ 11/22/2007 1:59:15 PM

comments >>> cd

Steven Reddy_ 11/22/2007 2:34:23 PM

Now are you pieces of shit going to keep giving me flack for signing bands like Coheed & Cambria and Chiodos? Hardcore died, guys. Accept it. Too Pure To Die are proof enough of that. So for some REAL heavy prog emo c-ckrock, come visit us on the web:

D. Peters_ 11/22/2007 7:40:22 PM

Last week we had a huge gangbang with these guys. Man milk everywhere, it was great

J. Bannon_ 11/22/2007 7:54:58 PM

I wish I could have signed these guys.

poop_ 11/22/2007 8:04:24 PM

i have last years release of this cd. and it kicks the shit out of these rerecordings. f*ck trustkill.

robot_wheelchair_ 11/22/2007 10:27:35 PM

Terrible embarrassment of a band, also the bassist looks like a total gay. 100% accurate review, shitty songs, not hardcore.

xtoopuretoplaychicagox_ 11/22/2007 11:32:25 PM

hahahahaha, 2 constants here: 1) an unbelievable amount of terrible human beings have cycled through this band. 2) they have always produced equally terrible music. ....stop being so nice, give them a 0/10

beaner_ 11/23/2007 12:14:07 AM

this band is almost as good as...

Delphine_ 11/23/2007 1:58:41 AM

This one time Tony told me he'd divorce me if I didn't suck the guitarist and drummer at the same of Tony's usual crazy fantasies. Anyways I did it and of course Tony's jacking off like a madman and laughing like a hyena. Now I remember why I divorced that fat rick rubin wannabe.

nothingahotshowerwontcure_ 11/23/2007 11:23:07 AM

what i really really love here. . is all the hardcore "bigwigs," using the word gay like it's a studded-belt-"hardcore"-fad. . . stupidity is why hardcore is dead.

GEORGE W. BUSH_ 11/23/2007 12:16:02 PM

these trends will be dead in two years tops and all of you will be listening to post-rock...or my band "KILL ALL THE BROWN ONES" - G. Bush

YouGotScanned_ 11/23/2007 12:41:24 PM

Hahahaha worst score I've ever seen! Awesome!!! Jordan Pederson!!!

Will Smith_ 11/24/2007 9:21:06 AM

i'ze eatin' this shit up! i'ma sign these cats to my new hardcore label, xWELCUM TO ERFx RECORDS

xdx_ 11/24/2007 12:52:11 PM

This review is spot on. Shit band. I hope they f*cking fail hard.

Jada Pinkett Smith_ 11/24/2007 2:15:32 PM

Yo WILLIAM, get yo black ass off da Goat and back to bed, FOO! Dis brown baby maker needz eatin'.

Griffin_ 11/24/2007 7:17:43 PM

Although I dont agree with a re-release, this band has worked very hard for many years. It is extremely hard making an album when managers, booking agents, etc are pressuring you to tour tour tour and only have very little time to write a quality album. You cant please everyone, no matter what band you are. As long as people show up to shows, and buy this CD, who cares what a reviewer or another person on Lambgoat thinks. Lame review. x

xgayedgex_ 11/24/2007 11:17:41 PM

you mean they worked hard (eg just didn't vomit and shit into a microphone) and this is all the better they can do? wtf? saying they worked hard at this is hardly an argument for this band's cause.

it_ 11/25/2007 3:39:04 AM

i think he meant they worked hard in general. like diy touring non stop, working hard to make a name for themself. yeah i dont like this cd, but i do respect them for touring non-stop, its a hard life.

tommy_ 11/25/2007 4:45:12 AM

HAHAHAHA a 2 thats awesome. great review. that sucks that Andreas Magnusson's name is apart of this. hes a sweet producer/scarlet was bomb.

xgayedgex_ 11/25/2007 1:31:17 PM

f*ck you, there's nothing respectable about laboring for this watered down generic trash. if i carry a large boulder up a steep hill 5 times a day for 5 years for no good reason and have shit to show for it, would you respect me too? didnt think so....keep defending this embarrassment dumbf*ck

Jash Graberl_ 11/25/2007 11:57:56 PM

I agree with this interview, this music would would taste like cardboard if yuh could eat it! HEHE!

music?_ 11/26/2007 9:25:48 AM

music? using that word to refer to this generic and heartless trash is an insult to music and musicians everywhere.

anaturaldisaster_ 11/26/2007 12:24:08 PM

Every time someone posts one of those "I'm Tony Victory/Josh Trustkill/whatever embarassing myself" gimmicks, half the f*cking board falls for it. To me, that's sadder than this review or album.

Brian Slagel_ 11/26/2007 1:30:00 PM

This new version with redone vocals actually sounds pretty swell.

joetptd_ 11/26/2007 9:39:25 PM

OOOH, you don't like our music! boo f*cking hoo. Cry me a river fanboy. We have more talent in our little finger than you do in your whole body. What band do you play for tough guy? huh? probably some bull shit in flames rifoff. gays.

wookubus_ 11/27/2007 12:48:08 AM


brian posehn_ 11/27/2007 1:55:15 AM

i hate this new stuff! dude you are not metal! metal by numbers, ITS SO EASY. any idiot could do this...

talent?_ 11/27/2007 2:16:06 AM

Dude, if you had talent, you wouldn't be in this band and you wouldn't be losing so bad at life. Too Pure to Die makes me ashamed to be straightedge and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

Matt Jacobson_ 11/27/2007 9:42:02 AM

*lives off Mastodon royalties*

Chris X_ 11/27/2007 11:40:35 AM

why didnt i sign these guys?

d000d_ 11/27/2007 2:19:31 PM

What's funny is that I know a lot of musicians on this board that are a lot more talented than you douche bags. eat a load.

haha_ 11/27/2007 5:37:31 PM

the thought of being in this band and actually caring about it is so depressing, why don't you f*cking kill yourself you f*cking loser....YOU'RE A MEMBER OF TOO PURE TO DIE YOU f*ckING TOOL!!! hahahahahahaha

Ben_ 11/27/2007 9:05:37 PM

To say this is a hardcore band would be disrespectful. f*ck this band, f*ck their whiny asses.. they're just divas, and their guitarist, Jordan, is a f*cking pssy who loves to cry when they can't play one more song. f*ck this band.

Jordan_ 11/27/2007 11:20:14 PM

Hey, I don't appreciate that!

Vinnyxbabs_ 11/28/2007 12:41:49 AM

too pure to die is f*ckkin amazing.. all of u who think otherwise can kill ur selves.. paul is an amazing f*ckin vocalist.. i love how too pure to die gets shit for sounding like pantera but none of the other gay f*ckin pantera wannabe bands do.. get over it a life once lost blows and so dose throwdown..

yeah_ 11/28/2007 7:06:23 AM

"Vinnyxbabs" 10 dollars says you're not older than 13

Gluck is a faggot_ 11/28/2007 7:31:00 AM

no mention of how this sounds exactly like throwdown? and how laughable that concept is considering throwdown is f*cking terrible as well? The E card for this album alone made me laugh so hard from the distinct sound that this dude probably recorded his vocals while taking a shit just like the turd from throwdown does. f*ck both bands.

BW_ 11/28/2007 2:29:51 PM

The only real reason this kid even did a review was because 4 months ago the other guitarist in this band, Zach, f*cked his mother. He probably thought ripping into the band would make him feel bettet. Guess what...your mother is still a whore. Sorry Mrs. H

Henry H Poopstein_ 11/28/2007 3:12:58 PM

Dear Lambgoat: Please stop overrating albums. Scores like this are way too high. Signed, Everyone

Ian Mackaye_ 11/28/2007 8:20:10 PM

this band makes me want to wish the rumor about me being dead was true.

XXX_ 11/28/2007 8:46:09 PM

Ian, you're not alone, this band makes all decent human beings wish they were dead. On the plus side, depending on how you look at it, it kind of looks like a negative 2 out of 10 rather than a 2 out of 10.

br0_ 11/30/2007 1:22:52 PM

Who honestly cares? The band is doing what they want, kids are digging it, they are touring constantly, going to Europe soon. Bands sucks, band doesn't suck, no one even cares. They are doing what they want to do and it's going well.

br0_ 11/30/2007 1:25:22 PM

Also, Vinnyxbabs is a nu-metal kid with huge ass monkey ears. He is now in a br00t4l band. CHECK THEM OUT AT: MYSPACE.COM/BENEATHABLACKSKY518

JesseHATE_ 11/30/2007 4:54:08 PM

shit band. what a bunch of dicks too. i hear theyre not even all edge. good review. this album is definately trustkill material.

whateva_ 11/30/2007 8:26:48 PM


MIDCOASTLUKE319_ 12/1/2007 9:50:53 AM

Let me start by saying that TPTD has more musical talent in one of their ass pimples than the rest of you closetcore douche bags have in your entire body. I think it's hilarious that you guys think you have the authority to insult this band when the only connection to hardcore you have is listening to your f*cking White Snake album while your writing about how hardcore is dead on this f*cking board. So all you haters do everyone a favor, go squeeze out the nicest piece of shit that you can, eat

Professor Hardcore_ 12/3/2007 9:43:50 AM

last time i checked too pure to die wasnt hardcore....

thecreepyroom_ 12/3/2007 11:17:20 AM

Band sucks. Do drugs.

KoRn_ 12/4/2007 2:30:48 AM

Yeah this band sucks, yeah this band's music is just a bunch of re-hashed shitty hardcore/joke-metal, and yeah it's hard to believe anybody with balls between their legs could even go on calling himself a man enjoying f*cktard jack-off music like this... I'm not really sure where I was going with this but I think we can all agree Newcastle is an excellent beverage.

Fred Durst_ 12/4/2007 3:07:34 AM

these guys rule

XcableXguyX_ 12/5/2007 12:19:08 PM

SHHHHH don't tell the kids in Vegas. To them this is what being sxe is about.

kids in vegas_ 12/5/2007 2:13:01 PM


XcableXguyX_ 12/5/2007 2:35:06 PM

I'll be at Thunder Down Under thursday! Rock hard!!

Too Pure To Die_ 12/5/2007 11:30:00 PM ^^^^MID COAST LUKE 319^^^ THANKS MID COAST LUKE, YOU RULE!

Wingman_ 12/11/2007 8:16:19 PM

yeah, so i read almost every comment and got disgusted on how everyone dogged on this band but had nothing of thier own to show for it. if they suck so bad, then why did you take the time to read the review and comment on it. gayS. show me what you got, THEN WE CAN TALK!

XcableXguyX_ 12/13/2007 6:30:41 PM

I wont show you what I have you NC gay. Or some southern queer state.

wingman_ 12/14/2007 4:31:27 PM

xcableguyx f*ck YOU. i live in Louisiana, and you know what we will f*ck you up. i hope you know what your doing BITCH

jonny_ 12/15/2007 8:17:54 PM

this band wasnt half bad before they filled the straight edge band with non edge people lol. too pure to die? i think not. change the name because you stand for nothing you used too.

lol at all you_ 4/18/2008 10:50:54 AM

hahah its funny to me how you're all crying and arguing over an anonymous comment board,for a cd review. sure goes to show how TUFF all you gays are.

anonymous 5/6/2008 8:53:57 AM

god that sounds horrible