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Dillinger Escape Plan Ire Works

01. Fix Your Face 02. Lurch 03. Black Bubblegum 04. Sick On Sunday 05. When Acting As A Particle 06. Nong Eye Gong 07. When Acting As A Wave 08. 82588 09. Milk Lizard 10. Party Smasher 11. Dead As History 12. Horse Hunter 13. Mouth Of Ghosts
2007 Relapse Records
Our score 6

by Nick

Welcome to 2007's biggest disappointment. As arguably the most recognizable band in what has been deemed the mathcore genre, the Dillinger Escape Plan has maintained a comfortable spot in the extreme music world's limelight for quite some time, and for good reason, as the last few DEP releases have been nothing short of golden. Calculating Infinity just about defined an entire genre, Irony is a Dead Scene displayed the band's willingness to push experimentalism to a new level, and Miss Machine excelled in stellar songwriting, effortlessly blending chaos and melody. Since then, DEP has lost a few members (Brian Benoit to injury and Chris Pennie to other musical aspirations), leaving guitarist Ben Weinman as the last remaining founding member. All of this put considerable weight on Ire Works, and even though the band's technical precision and desire to experiment is just as high as ever, the album just doesn't live up to the expectations. That's not to say that there aren't any high points on Ire Works. In fact, a large chunk of this disc is flat out awesome. The one-two punch of "Fix Your Face" and "Lurch" immediately settles any arguments as to whether or not Gil Sharone's recent addition on drums would hurt the band's collective technical range. Sharone's blistering work behind the kit propels the tracks, and the fusion of jazz-driven intensity with melody in "Fix Your Face" along with the noisy precision of "Lurch" initially sets the bar quite high for Ire Works. "Nong Eye Gong" further displays DEP's Miss Machine-perfected combination of spazzy rhythms and melody and "When Acting as a Wave" is reminiscent of Calculating Infinity's title track, only heavily laced with electronic outbursts. These guys certainly haven't lost the ability to blow minds with their all out technical assaults, yet as Ire Works progresses, it seems that their desire to experiment distracts the band from their proven talents. But hey, experimentalism is a great thing. Without it, DEP would have never included such musical gems as "Unretrofied" and "Phone Home" on Miss Machine. But the experimentation present on Ire Works isn't as well executed, not nearly as cohesive, and in a few cases, just plain absurd. "Black Bubblegum" is a borderline unlistenable attempt at Faith No More-influenced electro-rock that underwhelms just as much as it annoys. "Milk Lizard" is a second-rate Every Time I Die rip-off with a horn section that could leave the listener laughing in tears or sighing in disgust, depending on one's emotional preference. Oh, and the chorus of "Milk Lizard" packs the most generic and uninteresting drumming that DEP has ever recorded. It's slightly baffling, as Sharone has displayed far more drumming capabilities to settle for the cheesy double-bass work currently being flaunted by mediocre metalcore bands everywhere. The disc's closer, "Mouth of Ghosts," actually succeeds in experimentation courtesy of smooth bass lines, piano work, and a building song structure, but is only slightly satisfying in its role as a finale to a record filled with spotty content. Ire Works' polar tendencies kill any type of cohesiveness, and ultimately reduce the album to a few great songs, a bit of filler, and a couple major blunders. Experimentalism is great in music, but there can be consequences for taking such large risks. And as witnessed on Ire Works, DEP just flat out missed the mark too many times to be overlooked. Bottom Line: Ire Works simply has too much questionable content to be anything other than a disappointment. The Dillinger Escape Plan's ability to write spazzy metalcore is second to none, but their aspirations to cross over into the realm of experimental electronic rock leave much to be desired. Miss Machine proved that such a balance between technical intensity and experimental melody could exist, but that delicate balance just didn't make it to Ire Works.


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Mike_ 11/14/2007 8:50:18 AM

First read.

robin_ 11/14/2007 8:56:43 AM

ugggh, I agree and disagree

Dan_ 11/14/2007 9:03:39 AM

"mathcore"? f*cking stupid

shredtacular_ 11/14/2007 9:07:33 AM

nick your reviews are getting worse and worse by each one

bkrasman_ 11/14/2007 9:16:20 AM

I actually think the review is well thought-out and presented, although I disagree with his assessment. Which is fine. As I stated yesterday in the thread about DEP, I like their experimentation and think they've refined it since "Miss Machine." This was a disc I had to listen to several times before it felt totally right, but now I thoroughly enjoy it. I don't think it's the album of the year, but I think it's a strong piece of work. It also is likely to be heavily polarizing, which I think it'

anonymous 11/14/2007 9:23:27 AM

well-written review

hotaction_ 11/14/2007 9:24:25 AM

whattttt?? this album IS calculating infinity + irony is a dead scene. its a perfect mix. miss machine is garbage. this is not.

b_q_ 11/14/2007 9:54:35 AM


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denbez_ 11/14/2007 10:17:46 AM

I agree completely with this review, except the part about tracks like Fix Your Face being impressive. Come on, don't they sound like a less talented band trying to rip of DEP to you too?

twadorno_ 11/14/2007 10:49:00 AM

nick is an idiot.this is the album of the year no question.

anonymous 11/14/2007 11:11:51 AM

album is ok. album of the year? lol. no way

onemeansquid_ 11/14/2007 11:39:05 AM

i'd say this is pretty accurate. the record is pretty much unlistenable besides a couple tracks. and record of the year? GTFO

Wayno_ 11/14/2007 12:18:30 PM

IRE WORKS over MISS MACHINE anyday. There is a clear pregression over their last release. One thing that's been overlooked is that Pennie still wrote the drum work for most, if not all of this record. I think there is still work to be done in order for the band to make a smoother, more exciting electro-rock transition, this is STILL a Dillinger album...and it STILL kicks your dad's ass.

j_ 11/14/2007 12:23:05 PM

"Ire Works' polar tendencies kill any type of cohesiveness" like the review itself! also nick please try to find more ways to express this sentiment which seemed to be the entire basis of your review: "Experimentalism is great in music, but there can be consequences for taking such large risks." anyway, i almost agree with the final score on this.

big bawls_ 11/14/2007 12:34:06 PM

hahaha. Jesus Christ, I don't know why i even frequent this lame site anymore. Reviews like this and the review for Colors show me just how f*cking dense these guys are. Milk Lizard and Black Bubble Gum are two of my favorite songs on the cd, and Ire Works as a whole is f*cking brilliant. 6/10 is laughable you queefs. Its not album of the year, but i'll still be listening to it 10 years from now.

Devin_ 11/14/2007 12:34:35 PM

You nailed it, Nick - dead on with the score. Excellent review.

Asiwsvox_ 11/14/2007 12:54:39 PM

This review is wrong. Completely wrong.

Dillon_ 11/14/2007 12:59:25 PM

sadly I kinda agree with this review. He makes some pretty good points I still like the record though. Just gotta get over it though DEP is never gonna be DEP again without Brian Benoit.

ain't bad_ 11/14/2007 1:07:32 PM

I think the tech stuff on this album sounds a lot better than it did on miss machine. There are definitely a couple of meh songs on here, but overall this is a much better album than their last. I understand where Nick is coming from but I don't agree.

anonymous 11/14/2007 1:07:51 PM

"But hey, experimentalism is a great thing. Without it, DEP would have never included such musical gems as 'Unretrofied' and 'Phone Home.'" ahahahahahhaha. Other than the Miss Machine praise, I do agree with this review. Not terrible, but definitely a disappointment.

deadwithfear_ 11/14/2007 1:08:56 PM

this is waay better than miss machine. this review is ridiculous. basically says this album has two turds for songs so it gets a 6.

zhfd_ 11/14/2007 1:22:21 PM

Cd just came out yesterday. You write your reviews pretty quick, or you download albums early thieve! Just playing nig. Cd rules though.

anonymous 11/14/2007 1:24:26 PM

This review was written as a comparison to their past projects. Not written for the record it is

coffinworlds_ 11/14/2007 1:26:32 PM

Ouch, I didn't read the review yet, but shit.. Was that score really necessary?

Nick_ 11/14/2007 1:30:04 PM

Relapse sends out advance promos.

greg's_boyfriend_ 11/14/2007 1:31:50 PM

most of this was written while he was balls deep in me. 10/10 babe

Dave2112_ 11/14/2007 1:45:12 PM

I support 6/10

m00k_ 11/14/2007 1:49:17 PM

Don't agree with the review but I think the score is fair. It's an enjoyable listen I think but not really memorable.

anonymous 11/14/2007 1:54:58 PM

"Milk Lizard" is a second-rate Every Time I Die rip-off with a horn section that could leave the listener laughing in tears or sighing in disgust, depending on one's emotional preference. My thoughts exactly.

scoot_ 11/14/2007 2:00:40 PM

bitter critics-if they only could play an instrument themselves half as well as the geniuses in dep

TheWood_ 11/14/2007 2:05:00 PM

I think this one is better than Miss Machine. But what do I know; I like the new Down record.

SunnyvaleTrash_ 11/14/2007 2:10:41 PM

score is too high.

anonymous 11/14/2007 2:40:56 PM

I can't wait for the "you don't understand challenging music" dudes to show up. I already see the "you can't play guitar" dudes made it to the party. At least 80 comments after the work rush. Amirite?

anonymous 11/14/2007 2:52:18 PM

"In fact, a large chunk of this disc is flat out awesome" ... "ultimately reduce the album to a few great songs, a bit of filler, and a couple major blunders" ok, so a "large chunk" is equal to "a few great songs"? make up your f*cking mind you inconsistent gay

anonymous 11/14/2007 3:02:16 PM

if its such a disappointment, why'd you give it a 6? that would imply that it is above average. if someone already said this, i didnt read the other comments

Mark_ 11/14/2007 3:05:59 PM

Album is only disappointing in length. Otherwise, it's quite awesome. ""Milk Lizard" is a second-rate Every Time I Die rip-off" Wow, just wow. Even comparing a shitty "band" like ETID to DEP should qualify you for having your ears cemented shut for being such a douchebag. Die in a fire.

smarterthanyou_ 11/14/2007 3:06:12 PM

because if a band consistently gets an 8/10 or 9/10, then a 6/10 is a disappointment. IDIOT.

alan_ 11/14/2007 3:14:10 PM

Miss Machine was a totally generic album and I can expect nothing but generic from this album. DEP has not been the same since Dimitri left.

eyehateallgods_ 11/14/2007 3:31:14 PM

I give it a 5/10

arty_mcfarty_ 11/14/2007 3:35:20 PM

perfect review perfect score could not have said it better myself

anonymous 11/14/2007 3:41:35 PM

This album definitely sucked.

brian_ 11/14/2007 4:21:32 PM

good review, but your opinions are wrong/shitty. miss machine was a terrible cd, with maybe 3 good songs on it.

losh_ 11/14/2007 4:47:26 PM

nick - you should kill yourself

anonymous 11/14/2007 5:38:08 PM

ire works>miss machine

the oil_ 11/14/2007 5:56:35 PM

shit review

Auspex_ 11/14/2007 6:09:58 PM

I wish I didn't have to agree with this.

drew_ 11/14/2007 6:15:53 PM

f*cking stupid review

anonymous 11/14/2007 6:36:42 PM

The Nick haters are giving the Corey haters a run for their money! Oh f*ck, better mosh it out guys!

Greg PuJasta_ 11/14/2007 7:22:02 PM

You f*cking shithead. You don't know the first thing about hardcore; we put a lot of time and effort into this CD, and it's one of the heaviest releases of the year. We better not catch you around at any shows, because if my crew sees you, you'll wish you never got out of bed that day. Oh, and to everyone who actually CARES about this record, listen up! Thanks to everybody who bought it already but for those who have not been able to find it, try TARGET, yes TARGET is stocking it for ONLY $6.99

leo_ 11/14/2007 8:37:58 PM

6/10 is generous. the spazzed out parts sound way too similar and don't do anything to show that DEP has grown as a band. the best song on here is akin to a weaker Panasonic Youth. don't even get me started on the electro-rock horseshit. f*ck dep, no haev respect ever.

anonymous 11/14/2007 9:51:48 PM

my new quote for the next couple of weeks will be: "Have you heard the new Ben Weinman Plan album?"

Hulk_Hogan12_ 11/14/2007 9:59:35 PM

hey i heard the new way to review albums was to compare it to everything else.oh i guess nick got the memo before me.

Gary_ 11/15/2007 12:22:29 AM

I just started listening to some electronic noize or ambient stuff lately and, well, a lot less metal. This album fell right on time, as it uses a lot of electronics elements mixed with original tech-metal. I think this album deserves at least some respect for trying something different in a scene so generic. I like how DEP doesn't seem to want to belong to one particular scene, they only want to do music. Long live DEP.

anonymous 11/15/2007 1:22:21 AM

miss machine>ire works

anonymous 11/15/2007 1:40:43 AM

i could never listen to these guys period. its a bunch of f*cking noise.

hotaction_ 11/15/2007 1:59:22 AM

i listened to this all day today and realized how refreshing it is to here metal without death growls, dumb ass bro mosh parts, wankery for the sake of wankery or "southern" riffs. its like '99 all over again. back when dep was the craziest shit out there.

cuntoxfuck_ 11/15/2007 2:06:25 AM

I was a bit disappointed by this on the first few listens, but it's definitely a grower. No f*cking way it's a 6 though, under any circumstances. Cory probably would've given it a 10 if he'd been the reviewer. Whatever semblance of credibility this site had before was lost with this review.

Selvin_ 11/15/2007 2:48:38 AM

Welcome to 2007's biggest disappointment: Nick's Review.

losh_ 11/15/2007 4:48:09 AM

Nick, have you killed yourself yet?

Konstrix_ 11/15/2007 10:29:50 AM

this bands f*ckin dead. has been dead. get over it.

chris_ 11/15/2007 10:57:49 AM

Wow. Well, I haven't been interested in DEP since the bomb that was Miss Machine. There were a few tracks that were true DEP evolving what they estalbished with the bar they had set. Ire Works? I'm really unimpressed. Too experimental to be a fulfilling listening experience, the variation in riffs and complexitiy has been dumbed down. Too bad, thanks for playing DEP.

smokeoutloud_ 11/15/2007 2:09:53 PM

Majority of replies that include a real post with it seem to agree with this rating, i too agree. I like this disc more and more each time i listen. Not sure if you gave it time Nick, but keep listening, loving Party Smasher right now, and a good album this is.

chase _ 11/15/2007 3:54:38 PM

soooo down with this review, f*cking garbage record, just like the last one.

anonymous 11/15/2007 6:56:15 PM

I still hev respect for those guys because they are capable of releasing an album such ss Calculating Infinity but Irony Is a Dead Scene made me want to vomit. there new stuff will probably be lame too. well see.

RICK ASTLEY_ 11/15/2007 7:08:10 PM


JDOG_ 11/15/2007 7:18:14 PM

Truth. You shouldn't know music theory to do legimate music reviews and bash song structures. It would make too much sense, and any heavier band that plays these "Southern Rock" riffs rips off Every Time I Die. End. OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG TOUCH MY PENIS.

HI_ 11/15/2007 7:19:36 PM

im looking for hot dillinger escape plan ringtones. links please

chrisd_ 11/15/2007 7:25:39 PM

i'm confused.this album is exactly like miss machine. i don't know how you could love one and dislike the other regardless of which album you prefer.

blah_ 11/15/2007 8:34:47 PM

Cut out the guff and the remaining songs are waaaay better than a 6, although it does shit me how the vocals cut in at the start of most of the faster songs. And I'm definitely noticing some parts that I've heard on previous albums. The so-called ETID rip-off is plenty better than anything ETID have done in a long time ...

The Man_ 11/15/2007 8:49:48 PM

i'm not understanding the six. if miss machine got an 8 as too but should be a 10. therefore this album should be an 8. i was kinda dissappointed with some of the "worthless" tracks that are pure instrumental. during interviews the band said this album was going to be more like calculating infinity (the better album even though miss machine and c.i. are completely different) and i found that this album was A LOT more like miss machine. not a bad thing but i kinda wanted my bowels to explode whe

uhhh_ 11/16/2007 2:40:55 AM

DEP are one of the best extreme bands out there and this is one of the best albums of the year. This album and the new Between the Buried and Me record were robbed by this "metal" site. Experimentation and not just regurgitating the same album over and over should be praised, not shun. Long live DEP.

A K U M A _ 11/16/2007 10:32:34 AM

good review

anonymous 11/16/2007 4:15:38 PM

calculating infinity will always reign supreme, but ire works is pretty f*cking sweet. dep can do no wrong. the end. f*ck you.

everyonesdead_ 11/16/2007 8:33:44 PM

The drums are sick.

anonymous 11/17/2007 3:28:15 AM

You list "Fix your Face", "Lurch", "Nong Eye Gong", "When Acting as a Wave", "Mouth of Ghosts" as positive. You list "Black Bubblegum" and "Milk Lizard" as low points, and ignore the rest of the CD as far as specifically mentioning songs goes. I think this CD is amazing, and I've only listened to it once, but I think it's Black Bubblegum that does mark a low point. But in singing. He sounds like he's only half-ass trying to hit the higher notes.

SysTooL_ 11/17/2007 11:27:42 AM

At first listen, some of the heaviest tracks ("Fix your Face", "82588", "Nong Eye gong") could look like "Calculating Infinity" but actually Weinman just blew out all our conceptions about guitar-playing... and for the more melodic and experimental tracks, I think DEP just did an amazin job! Fantastic album, one of the best of the year, without a doubt

stem_ 11/17/2007 3:49:28 PM

I agree completely with this review, except the part about tracks like Fix Your Face being impressive. Come on, don't they sound like a less talented band trying to rip of DEP to you too? posted by denbez () on 11/14/2007 10:17:46 AM No.

stem_ 11/17/2007 3:52:57 PM

what about under the running board? the only DEP cd that didn't get a shout out in another one of their cd's review

conduit_ 11/18/2007 9:00:05 AM

should have made it a 10 song album. there is a bit too much filler on there. black bubblegum is a great tune, but i agree about the horn section on milk lizard, would have been a way better track without it

Ded_ 11/18/2007 1:24:30 PM


D.E.D_ 11/18/2007 1:50:58 PM

First off I want to say I've been a fan since Under The Running Board. I'm not some little mall kids that hangs out at Hot Topic or goes to shows to "dance". Calculating is a devastating piece of work. I remember hearing it for the first time. It was a hard listen. By the way when that cd came out most of you kids were in the second grade. So really you can't talk. Irony was good for a EP. Now Miss Machine on the other hand was a load of crap. Major disappointment. Me being a huge Dillinger fan

kyriakos_ 11/19/2007 3:58:21 AM

new d.e.p. = kickass

nate_ 11/19/2007 11:12:23 AM

MY CONCLUSIONS: 99% of lambgoat is clinically retarded. an album review is the opinion of the reviewer...get over it. DEP is definitely different than most of the metal out now, and just for that they deserve credit.

samsisdead_ 11/19/2007 5:20:38 PM

Fair enough assessment i guess, but the critiques on the 'negative' elements of the album are really just based on personal taste. - "Milk Lizard" is a second-rate Every Time I Die rip-off with a horn section that could leave the listener laughing in tears or sighing in disgust" I honestly love the horns - subtle enough but still prominent, appropriate to the dancy tone of the song, and plain catchy. Personally, i think the more typcial dillinger tracks that display the band's technical ab

Abethecop_ 11/22/2007 5:16:57 PM


buddhka_ 11/24/2007 12:56:19 AM

bunch of gays on lambgoat are gonna cry because their favorite band didn't get a good score. album's good, but not that f*cking good.

alex_ 11/24/2007 4:26:28 PM

Nick, I agree with you on the overarching theme: "Ire Works" is not a grindcore-mathmetal record. However, by cementing a band into a corner and denying it the ability to find new influences and develop its craft is an unfortunate form of censorship. When DEP dropped "Dillinger Escape Plan," "Under the Running Board" and "Calculating Infinity," each was a mini explosion and reminiscent of their lives breathed fire. Although, the elements of progression in those records are

J_ 11/26/2007 8:46:07 PM

^Owned. Why doesn't he review?

anonymous 11/29/2007 3:55:27 PM

^ double owned

yourmomsloveme_ 12/1/2007 12:42:45 PM

f*ck Dillinger. Didn't Dimitri leave like years ago? making this band worthless. I mean jesus you people actually listened to Miss Machine and didn't almost vomit? Christ this band is overwith. Now do yourselves a favor; get off your mom's computer and buy Destination Time Tommorow by Graf Orlock & The Great City by Robinson. It's time to move on. Dillinger is dead.

Geiri_ 12/4/2007 5:31:49 AM

I disagree with this review but everyone's entitled to an opinion so I'm not gonna drop shit on the reviewer. My opinion is that I like how Dillinger keep evolving and trying out new things, not to mention new sounds, elements, instruments, "new drummer" hehe, and just totally new feels. I wouldn't really care for another try for "Calculating Infinity" because that album has been done and no reason to make it again. The same thing about "Miss Machine" .. It's been done, why do it again ?

Brad_ 12/6/2007 1:11:57 AM

who in the hell ever wrote this is a moron... this has got to be one of the best cd's i've ever heard by them.. do you listen to what is going on? are you that thick headed, the cd is f*cking amazing! you must not appreaciate this bands music at all becuase the way they play is amazing. i mean who the hell can play the god damn piano with a friggin guittar? jesus get a grip and listen to the cd. every god damn song on that is amazing and the best one i think is "mouth of ghosts", "black bubbleg

DEMONHUNTER_ 12/8/2007 12:40:58 PM


Trey_ 12/18/2007 4:26:53 PM

DEMONHUNTER, you f*ckin moron, if it wasn't for Dillinger, there would be no Norma Jean. f*ck you! Ire Works IS the album of the year no doubt. This review was terrible. Nick deserves to be kicked in the balls until he bleeds and dies. But thats just how I feel. Whats one more opinion....right?

person_ 12/26/2007 11:12:33 AM

After listening to this album several times for many weeks since it has dropped... I am now certain that it is a really great album. Mouth of Ghosts is probably my favorite song of the year.

Dave_ 1/3/2008 12:32:04 PM

terrible review, easily one of the best cds of 07'. even tough it was all together a terrible year for music!

earthpart2_ 3/26/2008 6:54:55 PM

This album sucks. What the hell happened to this band? They give you like 2 or 3 crazy tracks and a bunch of shit now? f*ck this band. review should've been more like a 4/10. f*ck the people who love this album. It sucks. It's not the same band at all.

dicksandboners_ 6/28/2008 9:46:10 AM

Cool, Y'all Listen To The New Dillinger If You Want. Shits Kinda Weak, And Ive Seen It On MTV. So I'll Go From IIADS backwards, you go frontwards, we all have fun with our hands. Cheers

mike_ 10/4/2008 3:47:19 PM

This review was wrong in my opinion, This album is obviously jazzcore with a hint of hardhouse electronic drama. Easily one of the best in 07, Great timing, excelent band, Sound like your opinion is bais rather than professional, You cant judge music basted purely on what you thought they should have written, If you took the name "dillenger" off the cover im sure you would have thought differently of this album

SevenMore_ 1/6/2009 11:00:46 AM

Reviewer is obviously biased (and slightly deaf possibly) He's upset because Dillinger doesn't just do the heavy fast spastic music (as noted by his dislike of the "experimental" more melodic songs) But that's ok. What draws me to question him is that he calls the drumming on the chorus of Milk Lizard "uninspired" and boring (to paraphrase) Since his ears can't pick out tonal qualities or delicacies, he should look up a video for the song of Sharone drumming it. It's a little more tha

Dahlman_ 5/20/2009 8:01:08 AM

Hm, I think it is quiet shitty to say that this is 2007 most biggest disappointment. I f*cking love this album. Every track is perfect!!

el hefe_ 7/9/2009 10:57:14 PM

i love how the f*cking bantering has lasted two years so far. almost as much as i love the guy saying DEP is dead. they're one of the biggest bands on the f*cking scene right now. eat your own words, and your own shit. ire works was perfect, no comparisons or competitors except other DEP stuff. just what a good album should be.

Monte _ 11/16/2009 2:43:37 PM

are you kidding me? everything DEP puts out is amazing. the last track on this album is pure beauty. everything else kills and thrills. 10/10 best musicians this decade

Dillinger1 12/29/2011 5:33:05 AM

Another day at the office for Dillinger, Ire Works is thee most diverse release in their catalogue. reviled by some and praise by others, What I have always loved about Dillinger is their evolution from what they were and were they are now. Ire Works is a testament to what Dillinger is capable of I look forward thei upcoming releases with antcipation